Rasen Chō Tarengan

[Cellar Door]

 

Rasen Chō Tarengan | Ultra-Many Spiralling Serial Spheres | 螺旋超多連丸

 

 

• Rasen Chō Tarengan | Ultra-Many Spiralling Serial Spheres | 螺旋超多連丸
Type: Ninjutsu [Void | Seal-less | Coalescence]
Rank: Chūnin
Cost: 10 Chakra
Damage: 225
Effect: This technique may not be performed without its coalescence conditions being met.
- Coalescence [20;  Rasen Chō Tarengan]: Any time an item reduces or negates the damage dealt by this technique, that item is afflicted with the status effect 'Destroy Item' or 'Destroy Weapon'. The user of this technique (or any combatant capable of performing 'Rasengan') may choose to increase the base cost of this technique by paying 'x' Chakra to increase the total damage of this technique by 1.25x. The value of x may never exceed a number based on the user's Ninja Rank (i.e; Genin; 60, Chūnin; 100, Jōnin; 140, Sennin; 180). Anytime this technique deals damage to a Barrier, Shield or other Construct, this technique deals an additional 20% of its total damage to that Barrier, Shield, or Construct.
Description: The Ultra-Many Spiralling Serial Spheres technique was created spontaneously, and though in practice it is no different than the basic Rasengan, it has the benefit of being used in tandem with a large amount of clones. Each of the clones of the user charge forward, barraging their opponent with a tremendous amount of Rasengans and in doing so dealing far more damage than a single attacker could hope to do alone. Each Rasengan is quite powerful and grinds down with extreme force until they rupture in individual explosions that are quite lethal.
Requirements: Rasengan Training; Containment (If this technique is acquired in anyway without the skill 'Rasengan Training; Containment' it may be used 1 time per battle, and shares uses with all other techniques that require Rasengan Training skills.)
Points: 4

 

• Ōdama Rasen Tairengan | Big Ball Spiralling Serial Zone Spheres | 大玉螺旋帯連丸
Type: Ninjutsu [Void | Seal-less | Coalescence]
Rank: Jōnin
Cost: 10 Chakra
Damage: 500 
Effect: This technique may not be performed without its coalescence conditions being met.
- Coalescence [45;  Rasen Chō Tarengan]: Any time an item reduces or negates the damage dealt by this technique, that item is afflicted with the status effect 'Destroy Item' or 'Destroy Weapon'. The user of this technique (or any combatant capable of performing 'Rasengan') may choose to increase the base cost of this technique by paying 'x' Chakra to increase the total damage of this technique by 1.5x. The value of x may never exceed a number based on the user's Ninja Rank (i.e; Chūnin; 140, Jōnin; 200, Sennin; 250). Anytime this technique deals damage to a Barrier, Shield or other Construct, this technique deals an additional 40% of its total damage to that Barrier, Shield, or Construct.
Description: In the same vein as the parent jutsu, Ōdama Rasen Tairengan is a collaboration technique that makes use of sheer numbers to extol vast amounts of damage. This technique makes use of the larger, Ōdama Rasengan variant of the technique, which is comprised of more chakra and is considerably more dangerous than the basic Rasengan. When each of these spheres of spiralling chakra are used to attack in unison the unfortunate target rarely survives that onslaught. The resulting explosive blast tends create a sizeable crater at the jutsu’s point of impact. 
Requirements: Rasengan Training; Containment (If this technique is acquired in anyway without the skill 'Rasengan Training; Containment' it may be used 1 time per battle, and shares uses with all other techniques that require Rasengan Training skills.)
Points: 5

 

• Senpō: Chōōdama Rasen Tarengan | Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiralling Serial Spheres | 仙法・超大玉螺旋多連丸
Type: Ninjutsu [Void | Seal-less | Senjutsu | Coalescence]
Rank: Sennin
Cost: 10 Chakra
Damage: 750
Effect: This technique may not be performed without its coalescence conditions being met.
- Coalescence [80;  Rasen Chō Tarengan]: Any time an item reduces or negates the damage dealt by this technique, that item is afflicted with the status effect 'Destroy Item' or 'Destroy Weapon'. The user of this technique (or any combatant capable of performing 'Rasengan') may choose to increase the base cost of this technique by paying 'x' Chakra to increase the total damage of this technique by 2x. The value of x may never exceed a number based on the user's Ninja Rank (i.e; Jōnin; 250, Sennin; 300). Anytime this technique deals damage to a Barrier, Shield or other Construct, this technique deals an additional 60% of its total damage to that Barrier, Shield, or Construct.
Description: One of the most powerful collaborative variants of the Rasengan that has ever been used, the Senpō: Chōōdama Rasen Tarengan requires countless individuals capable of performing sage techniques to create Rasengan of the largest caliber. These enormous spheres of chakra are then used to inflict the utmost devastation on an opponent. This technique is best reserved for massive enemies or situations in which collateral damage is not an issue, as the damage that even one of those extremely large Rasengan could deal to an unintended target could be extreme.
Requirements: Rasengan Training; Containment (If this technique is acquired in anyway without the skill 'Rasengan Training; Containment' it may be used 1 time per battle, and shares uses with all other techniques that require Rasengan Training skills.)
Points: 6

[Cellar Door]

Designer's Notes:
Did you ever think that I wouldn't make Coalescence Rasengans? Psh. Don't kid yourselves. This is the basic Rasengan page for reference to the skills that are needed to use these techniques, and contained within is discussion about the Rasengan itself, since these don't work much differently. These break the damage cap much less severely than the Rasengan's base variants because coalescence have a naturally higher ceiling. Chunin version acts as if its base were 150 damage and then get increased by 1.5x because coalescence. Jonin is only 20 damage over being a regular Jonin-level coalescence technique's base damage, and the Sennin variant is well under the natural cap.

Anyway, happy reviewing.

[cntrstrk14]

Before I dig into this too much I just breezed over it and I have two points 

 

1.) Technically by current rules each of the uses of this is actually a different technique that is being combined into one. And since clones share uses with the user you're shattering the 1 or 2 uses of Rasengan per battle with this. I think you can make an exception for Coalescence since these cannot be used by themselves, but it needs to be stated like "multiple characters coalescing this technique consumes only one use of Rasengan" or something.

 

2.) We may want to put a lower cap on the JP reduction from Coalescence. When the JP splitting was originally created in the coalescence rules the idea that a single user could coalescence with themselves was just not thought about at all. The idea was that you needed to pay the "full JP" somewhere, usually half on one user and half on the other, etc. Paying 1 JP for these is laughably ridiculous. Yes, it's how the current rules work, but its just stupid. It's possible we should just not divide by the number of people needed to create the jutsu and instead just say "half JP".

[Cellar Door]

1.) That is mighty murky waters though. A Coalescence only counts as a full use of a technique if every user is capable of performing the jutsu. For any number of reasons a user could be denied his ability to act after the technique was initiated by another character, in which case the technique fails entirely. It's my understanding that because of this interaction a Coalescence Technique is a single technique being used. I think we're both okay with the way it's working and it's simply a matter of semantics that we'll need to nail down though. Mostly just bringing that to your attention.

2.) I suppose we could do something like that. Though, having been using these coalescence techniques for awhile, their low cost makes them feel like less of a burden, since the hit chances on coalescence techniques are pretty abysmal. I've managed to use a few of them in battle, but these are definitely not as valuable as the Rasengan itself. I dunno. Think on it more and let me know where your mind goes on the idea.

I bring these up because these two points have some pretty significant meaning not just to these techniques but to other portions of my character's build. 

[cntrstrk14]

1.) If you use coalescence in its intended way I think its a lot more clear. Using the two example techniques from the main site... 

 

Spoiler

 

Katon; Nagare no Hosaki (Fire Type; Current of Flames)
Type: Ninjutsu [Fire]
Rank: Jounin
Cost: 200
Damage: 200
Effects: Burned (2 turns)
- Coalescence [2; Doton; Nagare no Sekiyu] : 400 Damage, Burned (4 turns), Impaired Touch (2 turns).
Description: The user makes a series of seals and unleashes a stream of fire from their mouth. On its own this technique is very basic, but it was designed to work with another technique, Doton; Nagare no Sekiyu, in order to ignite the oil and deal massive damage to the opposing ninja.
JP: 6

 

Doton; Nagare no Sekiyu (Earth Type; Current of Oil)
Type: Ninjutsu [Earth]
Rank: Jounin
Cost: 200
Damage: 205
Effects: Impaired Touch (2 turns), Half Opening (Katon; Nagare no Hosaki)
- Coalescence [2; Katon; Nagare no Hosaki] : 400 Damage, Burned (4 turns), Impaired Touch (2 turns).
Description: The user makes a series of seals and unleashes a stream of oil from their mouth. On its own this technique is very basic, but it was designed to work with another technique, Katon; Nagare no Hosaki, in order to ignite the oil and deal massive damage to the opposing ninja.
JP: 6

 

 

Now if these both had a "May only be used twice per battle" tag to them, coalescing them would burn a use of each. If it didn't how would you tell which one had gotten it's 'use'? We could add rules that jutsu that have a limited number of uses per battle and also have a coalesce only burn a use from the person who started it? That would solve this issue, but right now that isn't how its set up.

 

2.) Yeah, I think just changing coalescence techniques to be half JP would be best when they can't be used on their own. Being able to load up on 1 JP jutsu that take like 5-10 clones each that all have unique effects is just kind of game breaking to me. Even if they have a downside on accuracy, whenever you can go from like 6 JP to 1 JP its pretty back breaking since that means you can have six jutsu for the price of one. 

[Cellar Door]

1.) It doesn't make them that much more clear. Like, if it succeeded, it could be counted as a use of both techniques as the rules currently work, but if you did Current of Flame and your ally couldn't do Current of Oil to coalesce it would Current of Flame fail entirely as the rules suggest, or would it revert to being a single-user technique?

Personally, I draw a distinction with the Coalescence only jutsu because they definitely don't count as a tech being used unless it goes off without a hitch. Where-as the above example is murky because it's hard to tell if when the coalescence fails, if the first technique continues to act as normal or not. It's definitely splitting hairs and stuff, but it's probably important that we have a good idea of how this works for future cases.

Basically just tell me what you want the Restriction about usages to say and I'll edit it.

2.) Alright, changed the numbers. 

[cntrstrk14]

1.) You choose the mode when you use it, so if you coalescence your Current of Fire and no one does Current of Oil it just fails, which isn't a use of the jutsu as it was never used. It never just "reverts" to the single target version. The two modes are a choice, the non-coalescence mode is not a "fallback" if the coalescence fails.

 

I think that we should update the rules for Coalescence to say that techniques that have a limit per battle and use coalescence burn the person who initiated it. I'll make a staff thread for this, should be an easy update and we can balance future "limited per battle" coalescence jutsu around this idea.

 

2.) I'll also add this to the staff thread to update this in the main rules.

[Cellar Door]

1.) In that scenario then, it would very much be a single coalescence technique and not 2 different techniques, since failure to complete the coalescence would cause the first portion to fizzle. I don't think we need to burden the rules any further than need be aside from saying that a coalescence counts as a single technique, and that any restrictions that fall in line with that technique's usage are the burden of the person who completed the technique. 

[Cellar Door]

Removed Deriving from this, since it's not looking like it's gonna get incorporated.

[Princess]

Honestly, you've fixed up the JP shennanigans, the wording on uses is common knowledge fix and whatever it can be left or the discussion can be revisited. 

The damage on these is huge but fits into the pre-existing limitations of what rasengan can do.

So yeah. Long time coming but sure. Approved.

[wolfnin]

I'm fine with these changes. Approved