Juno_Reactor Posted December 21, 2011 Posted December 21, 2011 (edited) Ok, I'm aware that this might cause a bit of a stooshie* (as we say in Scotland) but I'd damn well like to try anyway. This is my first bash at this so the costs might be up for discussion but personally, I feel the idea is sound and it needn't be game breaking (or maybe it's a wonderful idea and I've misread it entirely?) Anyway, here we go: Quarantine; Bloodline: The target’s bloodline/related skills cannot be activated, and any currently activated skills/abilities are immediately deactivated. A character may only be affected by any 'Quarantine' effects for a maximum of three turns throughout the entire battle. Using multiple 'Quarantine' effects at a time takes up multiple turn uses. Restrictions: May only be dealt by jounin level techniques or higher. Max Duration: 3 DP: 75/turn *stooshie (n.): a fight; a fuss, commotion, or to-do Edited December 23, 2011 by Juno_Reactor
Hardcore Skittlez Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 How would this interract with passive bloodline effects?
Juno_Reactor Posted December 22, 2011 Author Posted December 22, 2011 Essentially the status effect would force the target to deactivate their bloodline for x number of turns following a successful hit (up to three per battle max) so they would lose any buffs gained by having it active (they would also obviously not have to pay for the upkeep for those turns). There may be some bloodlines/clan abilities etc. where it might make sense that the target can continue to benefit from a few passive skills but I can't think of any examples right now. I guess this is something that would ultimately come down to common sense/modmin discretion. The bottom line is that for the turns affected, the character would have to play it out as if their bloodline had been deactivated (from the end of the response phase after a successful hit) and deal with whatever consequences that causes for their particular build, which is something that'll probably vary quite heavily from clan to clan and char to char.
Nagori Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 I've been a way a while, but I thought I might throw my two cents in. I'm not really sure if this is needed as a status effect. The other Quarantines inhibit one of the three attack types, which can be somewhat explained easily for all jutsu of those types. Bloodlines, however, all work differently. I would think that if a technique would ever cause this status affect, it would need to explain exactly how it works, and it probably wouldn't stop ALL bloodlines. For example, the Sharingan works far differently than the Senju's ability to use Mokuton jutsu. So a technique might clarify how it stops a particular kind, but in that case, it could just explain it in the effect. So... I'm just not sure we need a predefined status effect to accomplish this sort of thing; it makes more sense to me to have each technique that would do this explain what it's doing specifically.
Kouta Posted December 22, 2011 Posted December 22, 2011 Ah. Making it even easier for my Nullstone Series to reappear. Vunderbah! I am in agreement that you need to need to make two separate effects. One for passive, one for active. They just work so differently, that a Passive one might not even work. The staple passive ability to cite as example is the Hoshigaki clan. Fish fins and breathing underwater. You CAN'T take that away unless you change their whole body. Or like they said, Senju's power to use mokuton. That is a passive benefit of the bloodline. So specify that "bloodlines/related skills cannot be activated, and any currently activated skills/abilities are immediately ceased for X number of turns."
Juno_Reactor Posted December 23, 2011 Author Posted December 23, 2011 Ok, I see what you guys are getting at. This effect was designed only with active effects in mind - so, anything that requires activation during a battle in other words. Something like a Hoshigaki's water breathing ability never really came into it, however something like the sharingan definitely would. Nagori: Yeah I had originally just thought of making a technique with this specific effect but then I realised that it tallied well with the quarantine effects on the main site and I figured I might as well try and make it a full blown status effect since it would be accomplishing the same thing anyway. I totally agree with you however that this is an effect that would need careful explanation. I don't for instance ever see a punch to the head (taijutsu in other words) ever being able to inflict this. If your interested then this will be the basis for a clan technique i'm cooking up (Azure's Ageshio Clan), and I think that it'll work very well as part of that clan's particular background/skill set. If the general consensus is that this would be more appropriate as a specific technique then I can definitely live with that. Kouta: Understood, agreed and changed!
Hardcore Skittlez Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 Increase the cost to 80, then I think I'll be comfortable approving this.
Juno_Reactor Posted December 23, 2011 Author Posted December 23, 2011 Whaddya say we meet in the middle, 75 and we have a deal?
Hardcore Skittlez Posted December 23, 2011 Posted December 23, 2011 75 is okay with me- switch it up and you've got my approval.
Azure Posted January 5, 2012 Posted January 5, 2012 Taking away someone's bloodline is far more complicated than disrupting their chakra system and causing their strength to weaken. The reason I'm apprehensive for this is because of a technique I made a while ago that showed that this is very powerful. Decree of Heaven; Rapture of the Ancestry (Hanketsu Tokoyonokun; Man\'etsu Senjin)Type: Taijutsu (Clan, Personal) Rank: Sennin Cost: 150 Stamina + 150 Chakra Damage: 240 Effects: Shuts down any active bloodline or fighting style that requires an upkeep for one turn. If a bloodline may not be activated and thusly is always active, all bloodline skills are negated for one turn. If the bloodline is shut down, it may not be reactivated in the turn that this technique would hit. If there is an upkeep, it is not needed to be paid for the turn it has been shut down. The opponent must reactivate the bloodline if they desire. Usable twice per battle, not usable in succession. Byakugan Eye must be active. Description: Running through the veins of every living being walking the in the mortal flesh is the single most origin making each person unique in one area among others, being their blood. Certain shinobi having sacred, feared, known or even mysterious blood flowing through their veins. The human body also is connected in every way, the chakra system to the blood system, to the limbs and organs needed to sustain life. Through the knowledge of the Inner Coil system, Yatako developed a way to seal off the unique chakra flowing through the veins of those holding sacred blood, effectively suspending the use of their blood. By reversing the chakra flowing in to the select organs catalyzed for the task of operating the blood, the bloodline itself halts all operation for a small amount of time, enough for the blood to deactivate and require a reactivation. Through the physical assault of seventy seven palm strikes, the chakra travels from many different directions to its focal point and ultimately completes its task. Requirement: Byakugan Eye Rank 5, Hyuuga Taijutsu Rank 2 Points: 5 The DP of this is 180 per turn, which has a maximum duration of two turns and requires knowledge of the bloodline system of the body (the skills listed) and is of Sennin rank. I feel like if this is going to be approved it needs to be jumped in DP to at least 100, accessible at Jounin rank for those who have knowledge of the bloodline system (for instance the Hyuuga, the Ageshio) but for everyone else, Sennin rank.
Juno_Reactor Posted January 6, 2012 Author Posted January 6, 2012 That's a fair point but it all seems a bit much for a status effect. Ok, well does this go back to Nagori's point about this being more suited to being part of a specific technique than a status effect then? I thought I'd have a go at making this a status effect because it seemed to mesh well with the other quarantine effects but for my money, I'd rather not make a status effect that requires 'x,y or z skill/clan/whatever' or a certain rank for one group and one for another. In that case, it might be better to just make the technique it was going to be a part of anyway. So, I guess what I'm asking is should this be scrapped or is there a way to make it fair but still simple enough to go with the rest of the status effects on the main site?
Rhap Sodos Posted January 7, 2012 Posted January 7, 2012 Perhaps dumbing it down to something like "Techniques that require a bloodline to use may not be used while under the duration of this effect". That makes it a lot less powerful then shutting down the entire bloodline, and therefore, should reasonably cost lest. Also keeps inline with the mainsite with keeping it more focused on the ability to user certain techniques, as opposed to skills. Also, going to throw in that I think character must be Jounin Rank to use this technique [otherwise, you might get a Chuunin level character willing to pay double JP to get a technique with this].
Juno_Reactor Posted January 8, 2012 Author Posted January 8, 2012 Yeah I guess, but then it would just be a sort of glorified version of the other quarantine effects (in fact, it might even be weaker because it targets specific techniques rather than all techs of a certain type). I don't think there's any point in making it a status effect unless it actually targets bloodline effects specifically. If it means bumping up the cost and limiting to jounin rank and above then that works - anything else and I think it wouldn't be worth making this a bonafide status effect because it gets too complicated. What do we think?
