Two Alchem Techs

[cntrstrk14]

Alchem Type: Amihan (North Wind)
Type: Ninjutsu (Ice)
Rank: Jounin
Cost: 200 Chakra
Damage: 105 per strike.
Effects: Target is Prone for one turn if hit by one, Stunned for one turn if hit by two.
Description: By freezing the air particles around them the Alchem is able to create two large spears of ice above their head on either side of them. The ice spears are then launched at the opponent or opponents.
Requirements: Alchemy
Points: 5

Forbidden Art #34; Kan-Laon
Rank: Forbidden (Jounin)
Type: Ninjutsu
Cost: 100 + x (x = cost of the technique absorbed)
Damage: n/a
Effects: Used in the Response Phase, the user ignores an attack of their choosing. If it is a ninjutsu technique it is absorbed. Anytime after absorbing the technique the user may then use that technique, paying the technique’s normal cost, despite the requirements of the absorbed technique. If the technique being preformed was absorbed in a previous battle, you must pay 1.5x the cost to preform it instead of the normal cost. Can only use an absorbed technique once. Absorbed techniques may be kept to be used in another battle. If it is a taijutsu or other physical attack, the attack is nullified, though not absorbed. Genjutsu has ghost damage nullified, though effects still work. Can only be used once every 5 turns. This is effective against Tsuku-Yomi, Amaterasu and Tsukiyomi. User does not get a main phase this turn. Can only store a maximum of four techniques at a time. May remove a stored jutsu during the setup phase.
Description: Upon learning this technique the user receives a tattoo on their right forearm. The tattoo wraps around the arm and has intricate tribal patterns; on the underside of the forearm is an open area with four kanji going across the arm. These four kanji read as Tha Pae, Chang Puak, Suan Dok, and Chiang Mai. Each of these represents a separate gate that can be summoned through use of this technique. They were named after the four great gates of Chiang Mai, the capital of the Lanna kingdom in northern Thailand.
The user, through use of an altered form of Kuchiyose no jutsu, summons one of four gates in front of them. Each gate leads to its own separate realm of void. Any and all ninjutsu that hits one of these gates is immediately absorbed into the nothingness, and directly following its absorption the gate collapses upon itself, leaving the user extremely drained. The name of the technique absorbed appears next to the appropriate kanji for the gate used to absorb it. At a later date the user may release the technique during battle, causing the name to disappear. This is done by simply taking one’s own blood and smearing it across the name of the technique they want to unleash. The designated gate opens back up in the direction they wish to attack and the technique they want to use is released from the void.
The technique is released because all the energy which had no where to go within the vacuum suddenly has an opening to leave from. The user does not need any requirements of the technique as they are technically not performing it, but only releasing it from the vacuum. An absorbed technique can only be used once, as the name disappears once it is released. While in the void the technique is collapsed down upon itself and becomes a small orb of power, though what it looks like does not matter as no one can enter the void to see it anyway. While in the void the technique cannot loose its energy because it is within a complete vacuum and has nothing else to transfer the energy too. Each gate only has a single void within it and thus can only hold one technique at a time each. This technique is taken from the “Divine Scroll of the 77 Forbidden Arts”, owned by the Alchem clan and passed down from clan head to clan head. The scroll is required to learn this technique because it has a blood contract for summoning the four gates.
Gates:
Tha Pae -
Chang Puak -
Suan Dok -
Chiang Mai -
Requirements: Divine Scroll of the 77 Forbidden Arts
Points: 22

 

Kan-Laon has been resubmitted here.

[Hooligan]

To be honest that forbidden jutsu seems like quite the knock from Inu Yasha.

Even if you are only "storing techniques in a void" what keeps them going? I mean a lifeless void isn't really going to keep something going now is it? Honestly if you were just "storing" a jutsu in a void with the seal on your arm, it's more than likely it be constantly sapping your chakra. Lets use real life objects as an example shall we?

Lets say your void is a bag, and the technique is a lightning bolt (now we are using our imaginations here). How would the bag hold the lightning bolt when the lightning bolt expended it's energy?

What I am more or less trying to get to is that no matter in a jutsu entered the void, it would require a constant upkeep of the jutsu's original cost just to keep it "alive" so to speak.

Besides the cost is way to low, it would have to be more or less double and maybe even triple the target jutsus cost considering the fact that you (for some reason) can use the jutsu (just once I know).

Now for my question:

Is there a limited amount to how many jutsu you can store in the void?

Edited August 25, 2006 by Kama

[cntrstrk14]

EDITTED: changed my mind on how I wanted this to work.

I changed the description some to explain why constant large amounts of chakra are not needed to keep it going. Also added in a little line that says "User's maximum chakra is reduced by 10 for every technique stored after the first"

I believe the cost to be fair because you do end up paying 2x the cost in the end, once to store it and once when you want to actually use the technique. So to get the full effect you need to pay 2x.

As of now there is no limit to the amount I can store, though I can easily through on an amount, as there is a limited amount of space on my arm anyways.

Also, I am unfamiliar with Inuyasha, so I have no idea what your talking about >.<

[Hooligan]

(Apparently this dude can like absorb things into his arm... It was late and I was doing AQ40 >_<)

Even while storing the "essence" of the jutsu I am quite adamantly (though I dont really wield sway when in comes to what gets approved or not) against allowing this technique to be used on Clan techniques. This time around it isn't a matter of description but more or less balancing issues.

Now lets assume that only your character knew this. That fact alone wouldn't balance the fact that you pretty much gain access to any jutsu there is without having to spend the jutsu points in the first place.

As you said the jutsu itself traps the "essence" of the jutsu, but as I have been led to thought, clan jutsu require something from the user which that clan has, something you dont.

Now explain this to me:

How can you possibly absorb the essence of a justu, when the mere use requires something you dont have? It just doesn't add up for me, I dont think I can make the point much clearer that I do not like the idea of this being used on clan jutsu. Honestly it makes being in a clan less fun when some outsider can just up and use your own move against you (D:<)

Dont get me wrong I'm not attacking the technique (I'm on this new "nice" program, it blows) but more or less trying to let you see it from another perspective.

[cntrstrk14]

i editted my last post right b4 u posted >.<

[Hooligan]

Well even with the edit it still seems as though you can use this on clan justu (unless the only clan jutsu it works on is the two Uchiha Hijutsu).

Now with the negetive ten per jutsu, is it static? By that I mean when you use the jutsu do you still have the negetive ten? In all honesty though, I dont see how negetive ten chakra could help store "Amaterasu" when it's cost is one thousand chakra.

Please clarify the following to make it more... user friendly:

-Whether or not it affects clan jutsu

-If the negetive ten chakra is static or the chakra is returned after use of a jutsu.

Did I mention this really shouldn't affect clan jutsu? xD

[cntrstrk14]

It effects clan jutsu, and it returns the 10 chakra once the technique is released, since that 10 chakra is no longer needed to 'store' it.

And as I explained, it is not containing or helping store the jutsu, it is only containing it within it's own area so that it does not release energy to or intermingle with other stored jutsu. The fact that it is within a vacuum keeps it contained within itself pretty well.

And clan jutsu are just regular jutsu that require something of the clan to be able to use it, whether it be a bloodline or just the knowledge only imparted upon those in the clan. Either way once the technique is preformed it is seperated from the user and no longer requires the user to be in existance.

By then later opening the void, pointing it the way they want, the technique releases it's entire energy in the only direction it can, which is the way the opening is pointed.

In fact, I think this calls for another edit. I am going to say that when this technique is used it creates a new void space, one for each technique. That way once it is stored it does not neet a chakra cost to keep contained, as the vacuum does that, and when you release the technique there is not a chance of releaseing the wrong technique or multiple techniques on accident.

Editting now...

... edit complete

[Guest Xtholos]

Sooooo, what about techniques that require a certain movement, like the Chidori?

It sounds like this is suited towards Projectiles, unless you lop their arm off as well.

Edit: Did I mention that I disliked the Alchem clan? I think that I did a looooong time ago due to their super-flexibility when it comes to jutsu =p

Edited August 25, 2006 by Xtholos

[cntrstrk14]

Flexibility is the basis of the clan.

And yes, I had projectiles in mind when I created this. I'll edit so that it will explain that if a 'physical' ninjutsu comes into contact with the void it tears the chakra of the attack away and stores it, and when it releases it it does not have the same form as before but is rather a blast of chakra with x element.

[Hooligan]

Question:

Why does this jutsu require alchemy?

Based on the description it really doesn't have much to do with Alchemy other than the fact that you are opening a void in space (which by no means is limited to the Alchem clan).

Considering the fact that it indeed works against clan jutsus and the description doesn't include why it requires alchemy it pretty much looks like it should be a forbidden jutsu any one can learn. Oh and uh, yeah I'm thinking this could get copied by sharingan, I mean if a Uchiha is present when you use it on yourself (to get the seal) they could pretty much do the same thing (unless you get the seal when you learn it) at which point it could still get copied because of the lack of a clan correlation to this.

To be frank:

Explain how it requires alchemy (restating to make a point).

Also:

That precious little scroll which contains this jutsu needs to be created (if it hasn't already) and is up for grabs by anyone. By that I mean anyone can attempt to steal it from the Alchem clan (I mean this is a role playing site after all)

Edit:

How does this nullify any and all taijutsu attacks? And how does this stop Genjutsu?

Edited August 25, 2006 by Kama

[cntrstrk14]

ok, well it already said it needed to transmute the area in front of it, but I expanded to make it more definate. I was planning on making this item available to steal, though I don't see the necessity to actually go through the creation process, as it is already existant with the rest of the items in the clan.

Taijutsu - The effects of a taijutsu depend on the taijutsu connecting, and if someone tries to attack you the void is placed between them. And if the person tries to kick through the void they will reach into the vacuum and be 'repelled' (Since I would rather they not loose said body part as they would if they really did put said body part into a vacuum.) Since the physical attack cannot hit then the effects are also nulled with the damage.

Genjutsu - Damage genjutsu relies on a attachement of chakra from one user to another. This chakra, as proven with how ninjutsu is absorbed, cannot pass through the void. Though since the void only blocks one area, effects may get through the void as they often effect the area/air around the opponent, filling it with chakra instead of a direct attack on the mind itself. This ghost damage is nulled, but effects are not.

[Ravage Nocturne]

....Our greatest fears have combined into one: An Alchem with the traits of the Sharingan Copy (Albeit for only a temporary time) now capable of dishing out things that they normally shouldn't have access to (Despite Uchiha requiring either the blood, mutation, or otherwise, the stats, skills, etc)

HARTS FOR THIS JUTSU. <3

(Copies it)

[Guest MrSako]

Not even the Sharingan allows the copying of Clan Jutsus... now you want a Jutsu that can do that?

I would allow a 'copied' Jutsu to be used in the same battle [once], but not outside the battle, as you are just creating a mini-Sharingan.

I like the concept of storing it in there and then releasing it, but... no carrying over to other battles and no to Clan Jutsu (as even the Sharingan is unable to do that)

[cntrstrk14]

I am wondering why we are judging this off the power of the Sharingan. It does not work the same way, though it does have a similiar final effect.

As thus, why would a forbidden jutsu not be able to surpass the ability of a regular bloodline?

Also, I explained why I believe it should be able to effect clan jutsu above.

[Ravage Nocturne]

I am wondering why we are judging this off the power of the Sharingan. It does not work the same way, though it does have a similiar final effect.

As thus, why would a forbidden jutsu not be able to surpass the ability of a regular bloodline?

Also, I explained why I believe it should be able to effect clan jutsu above.

1. Because it's stupidly related to it? I thought that was kinda obvious, as per Sako's response

2. Yes, and no. Only in rare occassions may a Kinjutsu trump a Bloodline. that is to say, if you want the Sharingan, make an Uchiha. I swear to you, if this gets approved like this, then be sure that Asher is all the sudden going to develop an Alchemical Ninjutsu that provides for effects (very) similar to Alchem's.

Yes, that is how your jutsu is.

3. Alchemy is a funny idea, since I've seen it being used to 'explain' things that would normally not make sense (Voids included) yes, Alchemy is powerful, but that's also why it's LIMITED. No one said "Cntr, make a clan based on something as abstract and infinitely more manipulable than anything else", that was your decision. The simple fact of the matter is: Because Alchemy has such high latent potential, some things just won't be approved, even with explanation.

((Following the rules of the site... Bloodline>Jutsu>Skills; or...something like that))

And, well..that's my 20 cents.

EDIT: Oh, yeah. And to 'pwn' Alchemy right now: Voids cannot be created by Alchemical means, as they are the lack of space; Alchemy cannot create this lack. Yes, it is never 'full' of 'nothing' but it cannot be 'filled' without something else being lost. Equivelant Exchange, poodle. Thanks.

Why would this not work on Genjutsu? Let me count the ways...

Genjutsu is the art of manipulating an enemy's Chakra flow, such that they may afflict the target with visions, feelings, emotions, etc. This is why you do not 'see' it happening. Small, invisible lines of Chakra flow into the target's brain. Now, you explain to me how the Alchem can see this, and be like "ROFL NO, COPIED"

Taijutsu: if you made a portal, it would make NO SENSE to absorb their leg...and have it kick someone else. That's just plain wrong...and weird.

-10 CHAKRA?! HOMG. Hold on. -10 Chakra!?!?!??!?! Ok, that fixes everything. I take back everything I said

((Dude...-10 Chakra? What the hell. Sennin will NOT HAVE SUCH LITTLE CHAKRA. Make it -10% and then we have something reasonable to go by))

Edited August 26, 2006 by Ravage Nocturne

[Guest Zionward]

As thus, why would a forbidden jutsu not be able to surpass the ability of a regular bloodline?

Because, you know.

The two Uchiha Hijutsu are actually...

Gasp.

...Forbidden.

Boom! It's a headshot!

Good game, everyone shake hands.

Edited August 26, 2006 by Zionward

[Matthias Drake]

Despite that I actually am an alchem, and want that jutsu, I have to say that it doesn't make sense. Even I think alchemy shouldn't be able to manipulate the fabric of space >_>

That's my ha' pence anyway.

[cntrstrk14]

Despite what every Uchiha on the site seems to think, I did not make this to get "be an Uchiha". In fact I did not even have Uchiha in mind when I created it. I wanted to make a defensive forbidden jutsu that counters other forbidden jutsu. It does not even copy techniques, it just stores them to be throw back at the opponent later rather than a "mirror" technique that throws it back at them right away. The reason it refers to the two Uchiha jutsu is because they are the only techniques I know of that have the text "Cannot be counted by another technique that unless it is forbidden level and includes the name of the jutsu in it.". If you noticed I also included one of my other techs from another topic that has the same line of text.

All I am seeing aside from the problems with my description, is Uchiha defending their apparent copyright on the ability of anything near a copy, which this does not even do. To restate, as to make the point clear, this is a mirror technique with the ability to choose when the opponent gets hit by the technique. To be a copy technique it needs to be COPIED, which means it needs to be repeatable. How bout a definition for those who are confused.

cop·y (kp) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "copy" [P]

n. pl. cop·ies

1. An imitation or reproduction of an original; a duplicate: a copy of a painting; made two copies of the letter.

Hmmm, well, my technique doesnt duplicate or reproduce the original, in fact, it IS the original.

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@ RN : Sorry, you must have mis-read, or possibly only scimmed. It doesn't absorb genjutsu or taijutsu, it only absorbs ninjutsu. The other two are only nulled, and genjutsu isnt even full nulled.

@ RN (again) : I took out the -10 chakra long before you posted after realising it's stupidity, though thank you for reassuring my choice to remove it. Especially since the description doesn't call for it.

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Alchemy:

Of course it does not manipulate or create a void. That is stupid. You cannot manipulate nothing. What you can do is manipulate everything around it. This technique super-condenses the material around it and forces it away from a given point, leaving nothingness (or a void) in the spot where the matter had been before.

Not to mention I said this technique requires alchemy, for the reasons above, but is not entirely based off of alchemy. Being able to store things in a void has absolutlely nothing to do with alchemy. In fact, the only part that does is the opening and shutting of the "portal" into the void.

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@ Zionward: You are totally off topic. The two Hijutsu are not what we are discussing. We are discussing the bloodline ability "Sharingan Copy". Thanks for your, as always, valuable input.

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((Following the rules of the site... Bloodline>Jutsu>Skills; or...something like that))

Speaking of rules pulled out of your ass. This rule has never been in print on the main site. The closest it may have come is the opinion of a moderator.

To sum up, the description does need work, though I am holding off on it at this moment, possibly later tonight. I may also take out the Alchemy requirement, as it is a bit off based and can be removed and still be workable, in which case it would be open to anyone. (omg, the Uchiha can copy it so they wont complain anymore.)

Aside from that I can see no solid claims against the effect except for "I don't want you to have the same power as sharingan!" at which point I reference you to the top of this post.

[Guest Zionward]

@ Zionward: You are totally off topic. The two Hijutsu are not what we are discussing. We are discussing the bloodline ability "Sharingan Copy". Thanks for your, as always, valuable input.

No, no. I'd very much like to bring this up. After all, aren't both Hijutsu based off a bloodline? And in that case, wouldn't a bloodline-charged forbidden technique that requires jounin-rank beat a different, less-specific bloodline? After all, aren't the oldest bloodlines the most developed and hence, most powerful?

Let's have a little dialogue about negating the two Hijutsu. First of all, I find it very amusing that this works against Genjutsu that deal Ghost/Spectral Damage. Heck, it's amusing that it even works on any Genjutsu at all!

As had been stated over and over again, Genjutsu directly targets the brain. Tinkering with the flow of chakra to the brain to give illusions and so forth. Since it hits your brain directly, unless stated otherwise, why would opening a void do anything to a Genjutsu?

Last I checked, there were two ways to throw off Genjutsu.

1. The first option is for the shinobi to stop the flow of chakra in their body and then apply an even stronger power to disrupt the flow of the foreign chakra.

2. The second option is to have an outside ninja unaffected by the Genjutsu make body contact; perhaps even expunging the original caster's chakra.

You are doing neither of these. So, as you say, you better go work on that description again when you get a chance.

And at present, it negates Tsukiyomi just for the sake of negating Tsukiyomi while tossing in the Tsuku-Yomi tidbit for what appears to be an excuse just to have a defense against negating two Hijutsu's.

You're too kind, really.

And once again, you really ought to work on that description. It doesn't even try to explain negating Taijutsu, which also leads me believe that you merely wanted a technique that does everything. I feel bad for all those people who try to use Taijutsu on you, only to lose a limb to the...

Almighty Mystical Void!

I'd say more, but the text fell into the mystical void.

Go work on the description.

Edit: You're so totally right Cnter, I'm sure that Alchem's description as "Old and respected" is obviously inclusive of a longer lifespan than Hyuuga's "Ancient". Nice job.

I also find it amusing that the one thing that can kill an Alchem is stated as a vacuum. And since this is vacuum, what's keeping it from sucking everything into the void; including you? Oh wait, your clan controls the fabric of existence, don't they?

Go read your own bloodline.

Edited August 26, 2006 by Zionward

[cntrstrk14]

Zionward, Read post #11, I would copy past as I know it is hard for you to read more than post #1 and the three last ones posted, but I think you can figure it out.

EDIT: Alchem is older than Uchiha also, which as manga tells us, is just a mutation of Hyuuga.

[cntrstrk14]

*bump*

removed the alchem clan requirement and the use of Alchemy. Changed it to be an altered Kuchiyose no Jutsu.

[Maelstrom]

I'm assuming the cost for that first jutsu is 200 chakra per strike? I'd just like to clarify that before I approve.

And wow, 26 JP for that forbidden tech? That's a fortune. Anyway, that one is APPROVED.

[cntrstrk14]

Alchem Type: Amihan (North Wind)

Type: Ninjutsu (Ice)

Rank: Jounin

Cost: 200 Chakra

Damage: 85 per strike.

Effects: Target is Prone if hit by one, Stunned if hit by two.

Description: By freezing the air particles around them the Alchem is able to create two large spears of ice above their head on either side of them. The ice spears are then launched at the opponent.

Requirements: Alchemy

Points: 5

113 for the damage, + 25 (Prone) + 50 (Stunned) = 188 Chakra. Mine is a little overpriced. I am going to edit, as I think that it should be less costly for the stunned, as you need two hits instead of one. Maybe have it cost 35 instead?

So 200 chakra - (35[stunned] + 25[Prone]) = 140 / 2 = 70 * 3/2 = 105 damage...

Alchem Type: Amihan (North Wind)

Type: Ninjutsu (Ice)

Rank: Jounin

Cost: 200 Chakra

Damage: 105 per strike.

Effects: Target is Prone if hit by one, Stunned if hit by two.

Description: By freezing the air particles around them the Alchem is able to create two large spears of ice above their head on either side of them. The ice spears are then launched at the opponent.

Requirements: Alchemy

Points: 5

[Guest MrSako]

I still think that the Forbidden Arts should not carry over Jutsu from the end of one battle to another... And that it can only 'store' one Ninjutsu at a time.

[cntrstrk14]

I think one ninjutsu at a time is a bit rough, possibly three?

I would much like to be able to keep the techniques for after the battle. How bout a compromise...

- If the user meets all the requirements to preform the technique stored, they may keep the technique stored to use in another battle. If they do not have all the requirements to preform the technique stored, they may only use it in the current battle.