cntrstrk14 Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 Nitouryuu Effect: Character may wield two medium swords in combat. When attacking, add half of the level-Damage modifier of the second sword to the modifier of your main sword, and apply all additional Effects of the sword as well. The second sword is the sword you place in your "sub-weapon” slot on your character sheet. Description: The person has been trained in the art of Nitouryuu and can wield two blades at once, one in each hand, though he still has much to learn in the way of wielding two blades. Cost: -1 Nitouryuu Mastery Effect: Character may wield two medium swords in combat. When attacking, add the full level-Damage modifier of the second sword to the modifier of your main sword, and apply all additional Effects of the sword as well. The second sword is the sword you place in your "sub-weapon” slot on your character sheet. Description: The person has been trained in the art of Nitouryuu and can wield two blades at once, one in each hand, and has honed this skill to absolute mastery, making his use of two swords flawless. Requirements: Nitouryuu Cost: -1 Santouryuu Effect: Character may wield three medium swords in combat. When attacking, add one fourth of the level-Damage modifier of the second and third sword to the modifier of your main sword, and apply all additional Effects of the swords as well. The second and third sword are placed in your "sub-weapon” slot on your character sheet. A second "sub-weapon" slot can be added for the third sword. Description: The person has been trained in the art of Santouryuu and can wield two blades at once, one in each hand and the last in the mouth, though he still has much to learn in the way of wielding three blades. Requirements: Nitouryuu Cost: -1 Santouryuu Mastery Effect: Character may wield three medium swords in combat. When attacking, add three fourths of the level-Damage modifier of the second and third sword to the modifier of your main sword, and apply all additional Effects of the swords as well. The second and third sword are placed in your "sub-weapon” slot on your character sheet. A second "sub-weapon" slot can be added for the third sword. Description: The person has been trained in the art of Santouryuu and can wield three blades at once, one in each hand and the last in the mouth, and has honed this skill to absolute mastery, making his use of three swords flawless. Requirements: Nitouryuu Mastery, 5 Post Training Cost: -1 Once these are approved I will remove my old version of these and have these replace them.
Maelstrom Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 Though Zabuza was able to weild a kunai in his mouth with suprising skill, I don't see a full-sized sword being wielded in the same fashion. Reminds me of that God-awful anime, One Piece. Anyway, I think the first level of Santouryuu should apply only 1/4 of the level-modifier for the third weapon since, come on, how much power can you generate with a sword in your mouth? Santouryuu Mastery can apply 1/2 of the level-modifier for the third weapon. Also, I'd feel comfortable with a small training requirement for the Santouryuu Mastery at least; 5-post training should do. Perhaps the same deal for the Nitouryuu Mastery as well, along with an increased cost of -2. However, if you explain why the cost shouldn't be raised then I'm willing to compromise on that part.
Mokujin Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 (edited) Though Zabuza was able to weild a kunai in his mouth with suprising skill, I don't see a full-sized sword being wielded in the same fashion. Reminds me of that God-awful anime, One Piece. Anyway, I think the first level of Santouryuu should apply only 1/4 of the level-modifier for the third weapon since, come on, how much power can you generate with a sword in your mouth? Santouryuu Mastery can apply 1/2 of the level-modifier for the third weapon. Also, I'd feel comfortable with a small training requirement for the Santouryuu Mastery at least; 5-post training should do. Perhaps the same deal for the Nitouryuu Mastery as well, along with an increased cost of -2. However, if you explain why the cost shouldn't be raised then I'm willing to compromise on that part. One Piece... Awful...? That phrase alone is a travesty... You should be ashamed at yourself for such action... Setting that aside, Nittouryuu deserves no increase in cost... Having practiced swordsmanship for many years, myself, I've had to train using the left hand as my main hand, at times, in order to acquire a better sense of balance in holding that single sword using both hands... It's a practice performed often in the world of swordsmanship, and it should be assumed that the same is applied in this practice of swordsmanship as well... Edited August 26, 2006 by Mokujin
Maelstrom Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 (edited) Very well, but what say you about the 5-post training required for the two masteries? I think that should still stand. Also, perhaps it would be best if Nitouryuu/Nitouryuu Mastery were actually required to learn Santouryuu/Santouryuu Mastery respectively. 'Cause, well, it seems to me that learning to fight with two weapons is a must before being able to tackle three. Oh, and the above restrictions in regards to Santouryuu still apply. (In other words, the 1/4 level-mod for the third weapon; the 1/2 level-mod for the third weapon.) Edit: And my stance on One Piece still applies, as well. Watched it for all of five minutes. I want those five minutes back. >.< Edited August 26, 2006 by Maelstrom
Mokujin Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 (edited) I'd accept 5-posts of training for Santouryuu, as well as Nittouryuu being a requirement for Santouryuu, seeing as it is an unorthodox form of swordmanship, but Nittouryuu doesn't deserve either of them... The two-sword proficiency already exists from the previously explained training style, but strength in the opposite hand would need training to be as effective as in the main hand, which would translate into damage, thus, the separation of ranks would be all that is necessary in Nittouryuu... I'll leave Santouryuu up to Cntr, though... He may or may not want it that way, but Nittouryuu should stay as is... Edit: No wonder you don't like it... 5 minutes with One Piece (along with most other shows) means about as much as 5 minutes in a school... The most you'll learn is the structure of the building, if even that... Ignorance is a bad reason not to like something, you know... Edited August 26, 2006 by Mokujin
Guest MrSako Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 There is practically no difference with gaining additional attacks with weapons and just adding the damage/modifier of the second sword to the first one... i thought we were moving away from such things for the purposes of balance?
Mokujin Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 (edited) There is practically no difference with gaining additional attacks with weapons and just adding the damage/modifier of the second sword to the first one... i thought we were moving away from such things for the purposes of balance? Actually, you're wrong, there's quite a difference between the two... Observe... Gaining Attacks (Gennin Rank) Weapon 1 (Level 10)+ Tai modifier(100)= 20+25 damage (One Hit)Weapon 2 (Level 10)+ Tai modifier(100)= 20+25 damage (One Hit) Potential Damage= 90 Damage Basically, You're doubling your chance of hitting, and if both attacks hit, you're doubling your damage, but the point is you have a higher chance of dealing a single hit of normal damage... Plus, this doubles at Chuunin Rank, and Triples at Jounin rank... Meaning this... (Jounin Rank)Weapon 1 (Level 10)+ Tai Modifier(100)= 20+25 damage (3 Hits) Weapon 2 (Level 10)+ Tai Modifier(100)= 20+25 damage (3 hits) Potential Damage= 270 Damage (45 per hit) Combining Level modifiers, on the other hand, works quite differently... Because now, it's all just one attack... Combining Level Modifiers (Gennin Level) Weapon 1 (Level 10)+2(Level 10) Attack Together+Taijutsu(100)= 20+20+25 Damage(1 hit)Potential Damage= 65 See the difference...? You still only get one weapon attack, and thus only one taijutsu modifier, rather than an enormous string of Taijutsu modifiers... Chuunin rank doesn't make a huge jump the way it would with extra attacks, either... Combining Level Modifiers (Gennin Level) Weapon 1 (Level 10)+2(Level 10) Attack Together+Taijutsu(100)= 20+20+25 Damage(1 hit)Weapon 1 (Level 10)+2(Level 10) Attack Together+Taijutsu(100)= 20+20+25 Damage(1 hit) Potential Damage= 130(65 per hit) Still Without the enormous modifications... AND I haven't even implicated the multi-hit rule... With that in play... The damage of the "More attacks" version increases to 294, while the damage of the "No more attacks" moves down to 104... Combine that with a much lower possibility of hitting, and you've something very different from what we used to have... So, are they the same, Sako...? You might want a change of glasses, if you still think so... Edited August 26, 2006 by Mokujin
Ravage Nocturne Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 You DO Realize the only reason Moku's got approved at all is because it DIFFERED from this, right? If you want it this way, you lose out on these skills, as the Tsumari clan has rights to the 'way' they work. ........so, why in the HELL did you just say "I don't like copies of skills" and then make it like this?
Guest MrSako Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 So, are they the same, Sako...? You might want a change of glasses, if you still think so... Ahem... my glasses are just fine, and I would appreciate you sticking to logic rather than using any flavor of inciteful remarks. Now, RN does bring up a good point with this skill being practically the same as yours, so lets leave it be with the 'uniqueness' rule
Mokujin Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 (edited) You DO Realize the only reason Moku's got approved at all is because it DIFFERED from this, right? If you want it this way, you lose out on these skills, as the Tsumari clan has rights to the 'way' they work.........so, why in the HELL did you just say "I don't like copies of skills" and then make it like this? Allow me to explain... Cntr and I reached the consensus of sharing power over the skill, this one over-writing his version... So, basically, no more Alchem-Clan Nittouryuu, but everybody Nittouryuu, as with Santouryuu... Sexy, nay...? Edited August 26, 2006 by Mokujin
Ravage Nocturne Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 So what you mean is this? -These skills are general (available to public) -These skills override any existing similar skills Etc?
cntrstrk14 Posted August 26, 2006 Author Posted August 26, 2006 public in the sense that you need mine AND mokujin's approval to gain it, as any other custom skill. (For the record, Nitouryuu wasnt Alchem limited, it was open.) Mokujin's Nitouryuu and My old Nittouryuu and Santouryuu will be overwritten, yes.
Ravage Nocturne Posted August 26, 2006 Posted August 26, 2006 Although it may no tbe worth much, I retract my previous statements involving it. Perhaps it will be a good thing to have similar skills such as this worked in conjunction with members. Ranks an Appproval, dare I say? ((consider this a quick bump ))
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