Nitouryuu & Santouryuu

[cntrstrk14]

Updating these, old version can be found here: [Link]

Nitouryuu

Effect: When attacking with two medium swords equipped, the user may combine the levels of the two swords as well as all abilities that swords have as if they were one weapon. The user still gets the same amount of attacks for their ninja rank as they would with one weapon. The "combined" level of the swords may not exceed the weapon level cap (100), and for every four levels over the cap that the combined weapons have the player gains +1% to hit and +1% to crit with attacks made with those weapons. These bonuses may never exceed 25% each.

Description: The person has trained in the art of Nitouryuu and can wield two blades at once more efficiently than others. This art of fighting allows for a much more efficient and deadly use of two swords.

Cost: -1

Santouryuu

Effect: Character may wield a third medium sword in combat. When attacking with three medium swords equipped, the user may combine the levels of the three swords as well as all abilities that swords have as if they were one weapon. The user still gets the same amount of attacks for their ninja rank as they would with one weapon. The "combined" level of the swords may not exceed the weapon level cap (100), and for every four levels over the cap that the combined weapons have the player gains +1% to hit and +1% to crit with attacks made with those weapons. These bonuses may never exceed 40% each.

Description: The person has been trained in the art of Santouryuu and can wield three blades at once, one in each hand and the last in the mouth. This art of fighting allows for a much more efficient and ... for the love of God, he has THREE SWORDS.

Requirements: Nitouryuu

Cost: -1

Notes:

- Weapons are still being purchased. Combining two weapons you paid for is the same as if you had spent all the money on one weapon instead.

- For the price of a level 100 weapon, I could probably get a better effect than +25% to crit and +25 to hit.

- For the price of TWO level 100 weapons, I could probably get a better effect than +40% to crit and +40% to hit.

- Bonuses to hit circumvent the hard cap to stats that are set by weapons (10% total stats). I realize this, but it just made so much damn sense for the ability, haha.

- Scrapped mastery levels because I felt they were silly and with the weapon cap now these skills actually do less.

[Kouta]

I can kind of see how having lots of swords would increase the critical chance (I think it would serve well to not be able to combine this with any other skills that increase crit chance), but the accuracy chance kind of escapes me. Although I'm sure you'll respond with a perfectly logical reason in a moment. So, when does this bonus apply? Before mods? After mods?

Also, swinging three swords is a bit more tiring than swinging one. I'd like to see a line to that effect, making the ability be optional and cost something, rather than be a massive passive bonus. Last I checked, such bonuses generally took an upkeep, a bloodline tie, activation costs, or all of the above.

Add also: While holding the two/three swords, you are unable to use any jutsu that are not seal-less. I'd personally like to see some kind of reduction in the "attacks per turn" section.

Lastly, on Nitouryuu: Its not mathematically possible for the bonus to exceed 25%, so the line is superfluous. But thats fine!

[cntrstrk14]

I can kind of see how having lots of swords would increase the critical chance (I think it would serve well to not be able to combine this with any other skills that increase crit chance), but the accuracy chance kind of escapes me. Although I'm sure you'll respond with a perfectly logical reason in a moment. So, when does this bonus apply? Before mods? After mods?

If I have two swords its going to be easier to land a hit. If one comes from the left horizontally and one from the top vertically, its going to be harder to dodge. Also, since this is additive, when it applies does not matter mathematically.

Also, swinging three swords is a bit more tiring than swinging one. I'd like to see a line to that effect, making the ability be optional and cost something, rather than be a massive passive bonus. Last I checked, such bonuses generally took an upkeep, a bloodline tie, activation costs, or all of the above.

This is true, I forgot about this. Before I relied on the weapon being level 160 and thus being harder to swing. I will have to add in an additional cost, possibly just the cost it would take to swing a level 100 sword 8 times even though you only get 4, that would make sense. I'll have to think on it for a bit to come up with a nice solution. Also, passive critical strike bonuses have a cap of 50%. I could add in the rule, but the cap should keep any worries at bay honestly.

Add also: While holding the two/three swords, you are unable to use any jutsu that are not seal-less. I'd personally like to see some kind of reduction in the "attacks per turn" section.

I don't know what you mean by the reduction in "actions per turn", since medium weapon attacks have a very specific limit to what you can do and the main phase is pretty well defined in how much you can do. Also, holding a weapon already states you cannot preform jutsu unless it is seal-less. A person can use two weapons without this skill, this is just showing a mastery level of that type of fighting.

Lastly, on Nitouryuu: Its not mathematically possible for the bonus to exceed 25%, so the line is superfluous. But thats fine!

I realized this, but I also knew someone would want it to be capped just "in case" so I put it in before it was requested. It also makes it match Santouryuu.

[Warr]

Effects are nulled if the user is dealt 'Bound Arm'.

[cntrstrk14]

Thats assumed, seeing how you can't hold the second weapon that you need. If you can't use two weapons you can't fulfill the "When attacking with two medium swords equipped"

[Kouta]

Well if the passive cap is 50%, then these come awfully close to that for again, a non-bloodline, non-styled, non-clan, no-training, -1 skill. I'd say either bring both percentages down a good bit, or bring the maxes down a little and have it be an either/or type of bonus. Regardless, they both look like they need -2 at minimum. Possibly a -3.

You also might want to look at making this into a Taijutsu style instead of just porting the skills. Its an option you didnt have before.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Kouta

[cntrstrk14]

I considered a Taijutsu style and decided it was not what I wanted to do with this.

Also, it is a -1 SP, but you are ignoring the second level 100 weapon I have to purchase to make those caps come into effect. That's $2930.

[Warr]

Thats assumed, seeing how you can't hold the second weapon that you need. If you can't use two weapons you can't fulfill the "When attacking with two medium swords equipped"

Well, the rules lawyer in me disagrees there. The fact is if I cover your hand in mud or whatever and shackle you, you can still attack with the other hand while still having the sword in the shackled hand 'equipped'.

[Kouta]

Also, it is a -1 SP, but you are ignoring the second level 100 weapon I have to purchase to make those caps come into effect. That's $2930.

So? That makes no difference. The money you pay for that level 100 weapon is for the power that weapon has whether this skill exists or not. If I pay that kind of money for a level 100 weapon, I can't argue "It aught to be cheaper because cntr won't let me take Nitouryuu." The money you spend gets you a level 100 weapon. Period.

Now this skill makes that level 100 weapon MORE deadly than it already is. So we start there and then grow, both in cost and in restriction.

[cntrstrk14]

You're missing the point. The level 100 weapon is the SECOND level 100 weapon, which really just sits on the side and is only useful if someone breaks the first one without this skill. I'm saying that if I wanted to, I could probably get this effect (or a better one) on the FIRST sword for $2930. Or do you think 3k isn't enough to get +25% to hit and 25% to crit?

This skill always boiled down to "I could just spend all my money on one sword and not have the skill".

[Warr]

With the fact that we're probably changing the wording on bound arm:

Approved.

Edited September 19, 2011 by Warr

[Azure]

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