Woman President Or Black President?

[Andrew McCloud]

Exactly.

[Seven]

[it doesn't matter the sex or race of the candidate, only what they represent.]

Are you kidding me... that plays sooo much into it. Even if they don't say it, it does play a part. If it didn't play such a large part then may I ask why it took so long for x race/sex to get into the office of a big part... OR I would like you refer you to "black wallstreet" and see what happened to them... America is a racist country at heart, the only place where this woul;dn't matter is places where everyone is the same, like Korea, or so... so in that case you choose depending on the one you like more. But here race/sex does play a factor.

[PirateNiNjA]

Obama v McCain would be awesome cause both are good moderate canidates so i would be happy either way

[Kido]

The point is Rain is that regardless of the bull that this country was founded upon, regardless how nefarious the actions compared to the idealist reasons, America is still called the country of liberty, but the people within its boundaries are neither liberal or free...especially mentally. The need for labels and use of them made America worse due to classification and ignorance of the others which they fear....utter stupidity.

Yeah, I know about Black Wallstreet in Ok, Rosewood in Fl, the slaveholders assassination plot by a blacksmith and a preacher in the early 1800s but so what at this point? It still doesn't matter if the ideals of the country which everyone claims dear to heat was actually a work of people with integrity. In all honesty, it is way overdue, but I'll be damn to vote for any candidate simply based on her estrogen level or pigmentation. You want to make those losses of social experimentation count? Recreate the results in the communities today, get them together to vote..to do anything other than their current decadent behavior. All this talk about what was done and what is being done but not a thing about how to stop it...and neither of them would do so when they get in, the win would be a token one....like Mayor Dinkins in NYC, or the second coming of Marion Barry in DC once he placed the crack pipe down for a few puffs to sober up.

If you do, it makes you no different from the fanatical religious sects which told their congregations to vote for Bush Jr.

[Seven]

No I don't mean that you will partiularly do it but look at the majority of America... how many do you think will vote like you? And How many do you think will vote depending on their racial prefrences? Lots.

If you do, it makes you no different from the fanatical religious sects which told their congregations to vote for Bush Jr.

Don't you think they will jsut do it again. And the thing is.. simply... those that have "liberal" ideas, do not vote half the time or if they do they do not ismply hold the numbers of those other "ignorant" voters. Quotes used to say those aren't my words. But, as you see... Its not if we care, but the majority of those that vote care... we are the minority the ones that think like this and thus our votes will not be heard.

In short... America is some kind of racist/sexist thing, that can't be avoided. And those with the power in vote, ones htat vote consistantly and hold a descent number; african amercians, religion, etc... are the ones in control. AND they will vote mainly for the ones they prefer when it comes down to it... whther it be in politics or skin color.

[Kido]

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point is duly satisfied... Keep forgetting there aren't that many clear minded citizens out there. Good debating point

[shinobi523]

I can settle this entire thing.

Combine first woman president and first black president.

Vote for Oprah.

Nah, just kidding.

I don't really trust either of those two to be president so I just go for someone else.

[Freelancer]

Im sorry but the amendment that gives the women the right to vote is enough..... She is really pushing it think that america will have a woman president. Just aint going to happen I rather have a black guy as president then her I would like to see that. It would really show that racism is a thing of the past in the US.

"America is a racist country at heart"

Well why dont you think they leave so much out of history books? Becuase there is so much bad....

Edited January 14, 2007 by Freelancer

[Guest Tao no Seimei]

As Long as whoever is elected do their job in a professional and acceptible manner that meet the standards of most of the american population than thats who should be elected.

Bush is a fvcking jerk peice of sh!t. i hate em. Hes dragged our country through piles and piles of sh!t for too long and i want him out.

[Kenji-San]

Obama - Prez

Clinton - Vice Prez

Combine Obama's freshness and moderate views with Clinton's experience and influence.

Edited April 7, 2007 by Kenji-San

[Warr]

That might actually work, but I highly doubt Clinton would allow herself to be "Second Fiddle".

And at your statement, Tao, I'd have to disagree. It's not just bush who has "Brought this country through a load of crap" it's the government in ever aspect, though it's popular belief that you should blame the president instead of say, the senate if something goes wrong.

The Senate actually for the most part have more say in our laws and if we go to war with so and so country, etc. He's just executive officer and deals with who the executive branch of the government hires to do what it needs to get done, and matters the executive branch has to deal with. Yes, he could have been better, but no, it's not just his fault. Many of the bad things which have happened have been in the making since the Clinton administration.

[Rilon]

I'd rather see Obama in office than Clinton.

[Warr]

I'd rather see Obama in office than Clinton.

I'd have to agree whole-heartedly because I don't think Clinton properly represents the American people in any way, and she has previously proved to be happy to say one thing and do another. She also tried to make a Socialist Health care system happen in the US during her husband's administration.

[Guest Kidori]

That might actually work, but I highly doubt Clinton would allow herself to be "Second Fiddle".

And at your statement, Tao, I'd have to disagree. It's not just bush who has "Brought this country through a load of crap" it's the government in ever aspect, though it's popular belief that you should blame the president instead of say, the senate if something goes wrong.

The Senate actually for the most part have more say in our laws and if we go to war with so and so country, etc. He's just executive officer and deals with who the executive branch of the government hires to do what it needs to get done, and matters the executive branch has to deal with. Yes, he could have been better, but no, it's not just his fault. Many of the bad things which have happened have been in the making since the Clinton administration.

I know this is somewhat off-topic, but I agree in Warr's reasoning. I personally am tired of everyone going on and on about how terrible Bush is and how he is the worst thing this country has ever had. That is not...entirely...true. First of all, one has to look at the time for which he is the president. I mean, it was an unfortunate turn of events when 9/11 hit America. It seems as though we judge how good our president's are based on the events which happen (or in some cases don't happen) during their term(s). Washington was only famous for being the first president, and an outstanding leader in America's revolution. What if he had been the 4th president? Had he have had the same recognition? I seriously doubt it. Then take Lincoln; his fame stems primarily from his "abolition of slavery," which...by the way...was not his initial goal in the Civil War in the first place. Had Lincoln not been president during this schism, would he have been remembered as avidly? Then you have your president's who are looked down on, such as Wilson, who, too, was faced with a serious problem that was completely out of his control. The depression he was faced with brought blame to his administration and his reputation all because of what some big businesses did once they pulled their pool-shares out of small companies. Bush is in a similar situation. He was faced with an issue that few president's have ever been faced with. Had Gore come to office, do you think he would have done any differently? Warr is also right that alot of the decisions which so much of the populas seem to despise were not entirely enforced by the president himself. Often times his administration and Senate have more say in legal matters then himself. I'm not saying I support Bush in all of his actions, but please...Tao...don't rant about something I'm sure you are not fully knowledgable of.

As for who I think should be president, I think Obama would make a better president.

[Sora Sol]

You know what? I think a real good debate would be whether black women would vote for Obama or Clinton?

[atk2700]

I intend to vote for Lee L. Mercer Junior.

[Aberacht]

Socialism ftw. And who is Lee L. Mercer Junior?

[Miso]

I say black president before a female because in every race they have those male dominant thoughts and that goes against Hilary Clinton.

There are racists buuuuuuut due to blacks not hating blacks he has a better chance of become president.

Hilary Clinton has a very very very small window to squeeze through.

[Guest bukekira]

go Obamma! i think its good to be interacial!

[Aberacht]

Obama. He has genuine charisma. He doesn't step on anyone's toes, he is not likely to be overly left or right, and he also might bridge/sort of halt the problems that many middle eastern countries have with us, because he's Muslim.

However, I don't agree with someone being voted for because they're a minority, or someone throwing that around. We're all people, and it's you that cause the problem with it in most cases, by focusing on it.

Sorry for bringing this dead topic up, but Warr is Psychic.

[Warr]

I was incorrect about the muslim bit, though. It was apart of my own confusion, at the time, with a situation there.

[darkness-leader]

Communism ftw... Smerfs