Rawr Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 So, I heard from my boss today (whose got this scary obsession with American politics) that President-Elect Barrack Obama has spoken in favor for a National Police force in the United State of America. He allowed me to connect the dots to remember the only other time any government has enacted a Nation Police that was separate from the country's military. I'm sure that most of you could probably remember a certain police force in Germany during the late 1930s and '40s created by an Adolf Hitler. What do you guys think? Am I reading too far into the parallels between the Gestapo and an American National Police? Are they are pros to having a single police unit for the entire country? What are the cons? Personally, I think this is a horrible idea that reminds me not only of Nazism, but of Big Brother's Thought Police. Sure, we haven't ascended into socialism, but we're not pretty far off with the government buying into the banking and housing industries and now seriously considering bailing the auto industry. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe I'm digging too far into this, but meh. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhapsody Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Personally, I think Americans are way too concerned about being associated with 'the enemy.' Remember what everyone said when Clinton tried to deprivatize health care? The idea was beat down by cries of Communism. It doesn't matter if this police force sounds like the Gestapo. Obama is not Adolf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experimental lover Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 With the references you make, it seems like we should abolish all nationalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dowhatnow Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Terrible idea. No "Pros" about it, just cons. Too much power to one agency and all that. And just to throw this one out there: Obamunism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellar Door Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Obamanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rawr Posted December 9, 2008 Author Share Posted December 9, 2008 (edited) Obamanation, indeed. Firstly, I'd like to Rhap-so-dy (for some reason when I typed out your name the post was auto edited to say "the girl who likes it in the butt" o.o;;: You're right, he's not Adolf Hitler. He hasn't shown any dictator-complexes or the like, but I'd like to point out just how far to the left he is. If you have read any of his books, it's quite plain to see that he values and deeply believes in the values of a socialistic society, both politically and economically. Capitalism/Free Markets =/= Socialism. As both of our executive branch of government and now legislative branch are both controlled by the democratic party (and most of those democrats are pretty far to the left, e.g. Nancy Palosi) any radical democratic proposition, law, etc. isn't going to be difficult to get passed... HOWEVER, none of those points really have anything to do with the National Police system, lol. What exactly are your thoughts on that? <3 Experimental Lover, which parts precisely of my initial post suggest that we should abolish nationalism? Edited December 9, 2008 by Rawr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cntrstrk14 Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 A national police force. So instead of state police, we will have police that can chase criminals anywhere in the country? I don't see a problem with a Nation Police system, I'm pretty sure it was Hitler's racist views and want to conquerer the world that was the problem. Hitler was a bad man, but he was also a genius of a leader. Even if the idea was taken straight from him it may not be a terrible thing. As Rhaps said, we are more concerned with 'being like the enemy' than we are concerned with good ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warr Posted December 13, 2008 Share Posted December 13, 2008 It's not the idea, it's the way it's used. A national Police force would do well in helping things (And guess what? We already have one! The US Government is a teired system, local, state, federal, and the federal government has a police force for internal affairs, too, it's called the 'Federal Bureau of Investigation', anyone? There's not hurt in a national police force, so long as they don't try putting chips on a person or chips on their identification cards, so as to track them, as then we get close to a police state. Socialism isn't bad, either, and there's nothing that says capitialism and socialism can't exist at the same time in the same country, we just wouldn't have the at times laise faire economic system our capitalism has given us, and we -probably- wouldn't have people who are third generation investors and don't do -actual- work, just live off the work of others. Which is fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
experimental lover Posted December 14, 2008 Share Posted December 14, 2008 Sorry it has taken me a while to reply, Rawr, I don't check this section that often. So, I heard from my boss today (whose got this scary obsession with American politics) that President-Elect Barrack Obama has spoken in favor for a National Police force in the United State of America. He allowed me to connect the dots to remember the only other time any government has enacted a Nation Police that was separate from the country's military. I'm sure that most of you could probably remember a certain police force in Germany during the late 1930s and '40s created by an Adolf Hitler. What do you guys think? Am I reading too far into the parallels between the Gestapo and an American National Police? Are they are pros to having a single police unit for the entire country? What are the cons? Personally, I think this is a horrible idea that reminds me not only of Nazism, but of Big Brother's Thought Police. Sure, we haven't ascended into socialism, but we're not pretty far off with the government buying into the banking and housing industries and now seriously considering bailing the auto industry. Maybe I'm paranoid, maybe I'm digging too far into this, but meh. Thoughts? Two strong references, my good friend. Not that they were intentional to say "Destroy nationalism!" because I don't think that is your point of view, just an observation on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalyptic Dream Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 (edited) As both of our executive branch of government and now legislative branch are both controlled by the democratic party (and most of those democrats are pretty far to the left, e.g. Nancy Palosi) any radical democratic proposition, law, etc. isn't going to be difficult to get passed... Eh, this can be debated. The fact is that the democratic party is much worse at banding and working together when compared to the Republican party, during say the Bush administration. Even then Democrats showed their disability to band together and stand up to Bush, instead falling prey to his scare tactics just like the rest of America... The fact is that the Democratic party is made up of so many different viewpoints of what is right and what is wrong (and the fact that a lot of former Republicans now run as Democrats since the common American tends to be shying away from the Republican name as of late) and the result of this is that they simply bicker amongst themselves and have so many differing viewpoints that they cannot staunchly stand-up against the Republican party... There are quite a few democrats that simply do not want to support a lot of the ideas of the Obama and the "Democrats" (especially in the case of health care). Whether this is because they are simply Repubs running as Dems or they are simply a more centered or right politician doesn't really matter. The fact is that the Democratic party is weakened by their inability to band together and get their legislation passed, even though they do control the majority. Edit: The fact is, if you compare any political leaders you will probably be able to find similarities between them that may surprise you... Consider the fact that FDR, one of the most left-thinking presidents we have had, and someone that has pushed for more "socialist" legislation to be passed than anyone else, is also considered one of our greatest presidents of all time. And yet, he had many similar ideas to many other socialist political leaders throughout history... It's all about how you apply the philosophy and ideas. Edited September 29, 2009 by Apocalyptic Dream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cellar Door Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 *taps staff on ground* Arise thread, arise thread. lolol, this is a year old, no topic necromancy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalyptic Dream Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 it was at the top of the forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cntrstrk14 Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Haha, yeah, don't worry about it. That happens sometimes, just a friendly reminder <3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
